Toast Mushie but raise a glass to the true greats

first_img Facebook County Championship Division One Share 2 Sep 2008 20:48 Share 0 1 Report Dead right Allout: overseas players used to be synonymous with one county. Mushy is one of the few these days who is in the same bracket. I seem to recall they wanted to name a bus after Mushy in Brighton, but such an award can only be bestowed posthumously.As for winning the Championship on his own: he clearly didn’t, but then I doubt that Sussex would have won it three times without him either. 0 1 HarryHeller Comments 31 “Mushtaq Ahmed, the finest Sussex player ever”I’d say he was, if the yard-stick is matches and trophies won. Snow had the better action and Ranji was the greater stylist, but no one (esp. Moores and Adams) can deny that Mushy won 3 Championships on his own. MouthoftheMersey 0 1 Report | Pick … we have a small favour to ask. 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With a top score of 405* and equalling Turner’s county record of 10 centuries in a season, a bucket full of catches and a few wickets to boot. Not too shabby.With regards Mushy, the man has consistently destroyed batting line-ups, almost single-handedly, for years in an era of two divisions. His name should, quite rightly, be placed among the greats of our domestic game. Mushy, I take my hat off to you! Support The Guardian Share on Pinterest Share on Facebook Facebook Twitter Twitter Reply Share PaulLinford – good article about Doshi here http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/245284.html by the excellent Gideon Haigh. County Championship 2008 Division One 2 Sep 2008 17:00 | Pick View more comments Reply As a Middxman, may I nominate Vince van de Bijl? He was only at Middx for a season, but took more than 80 wickets on unresponsive pitches. Also a very popular bloke with the members and fellow players, by all accounts. Share on Twitter Twitter DanCon unthreaded Reply Reply Share on Facebook | Pick whathappenednext Azharuddin @ Derbyshire? Not the best overall, and disgraced of course, but on his day (with the late summer sun beating down), uttery enchanting. 0 1 Not Garry Sobers, who arrived at Nottinghamshire in his pomp, and never really set the Trent on fire. High talent by itself will not win the case. At various times county cricket has welcomed some of the greatest players to have played the game, yet few would argue that Javed Miandad, Shane Warne, Sachin Tendulkar, Wasim Akram or Anil Kumble, among a dozen others, are worthy of the unofficial title. They were magnificent players who left wonderful memories but we have to look elsewhere for our man.Certain names are impossible to overlook. Clive Lloyd in his bespectacled, six-hitting youth made Old Trafford look a small ground. Malcolm Marshall and Courtney Walsh gave superb service to Hampshire and Gloucestershire, bowling their guts out, never coasting. Warwickshire saw the best of Allan Donald, and, one remarkable summer, of Brian Lara. Down the road at Worcester, Glenn Turner will not be forgotten. Those who saw Zaheer Abbas in his purest form at Cheltenham will feel blessed.But it isn’t just the marquee names who demand consideration. Wayne Daniel was a Middlesex stalwart. John Shepherd became part of the club fabric at Canterbury. More recently Darren Lehmann made a huge impact at Yorkshire, not least on the emerging Michael Vaughan. Then there were the galvanisers: Clive Rice at Nottingham, Eddie Barlow at Derby, and Mike Procter at Bristol.Procter is one of the five men I submit for consideration. He gets in because English spectators saw him at his best over a decade, and best in his case means being one of the most supremely gifted – and watchable – all-round cricketers the world has known. He also became wedded to the club, which is the important thing. “Procky” was magnificent with bat and ball, and carried his men with him.A second choice must be Vivian Richards, who also matured to greatness in England, with Somerset. How lucky we were to watch the coronation of King Viv! A third choice is Richard Hadlee, for reasons that should require no special pleading. Here was another champion cricketer playing flat out for Nottinghamshire. A bowler supreme.The list is completed by two men separated by half a century. Ted McDonald, a ferocious fast bowler from Tasmania, was directly involved in the three successive championships that Lancashire won, starting in 1926, and a fourth they added in 1930. Ken McEwan of South Africa was a batting anchor for Essex when they broke their championship duck in 1979, and he stayed to win two more titles, as well as five one-day trophies, before he left in 1985. All were fine players and terrific servants, who forged bonds of steel with their clubs.Mushie did jolly well. But it’s time to reset that bar.· Frank Keating returns next month Facebook NimrodTroyte Reply 2 Sep 2008 8:24 Waterhot Waterhot Share on Facebook 2 1 Sportblog Report | Pick newest You neglected to mention the original “Mushie” – Mushtaq Mohammed, a great overseas player for Northants in the 70s.Minor counties cricket also has its overseas heroes – for instance D.R. Doshi, who took four wickets for Herts against Essex in their 1976 Gillette Cup triumph at Hitchin. Facebook Loading comments… Trouble loading? Twitter Share Report jno50 Share on Facebook 0 1 Share on LinkedIn qualitystreet Report Share on Twitter Reply Reply Twitter Share Report gaivota Yevaru: Moores, Adams and the whole Sussex membership (including me) would deny Mushy won 3 titles on his own. That’s just silly, tabloid level understanding. But you’re welcome to it of course. 0 1 Twitter Mon 1 Sep 2008 19.01 EDT | Pick Reply Facebook Facebook Share on Facebook As Big Clive’s biography makes clear – http://nestaquin.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/supercat-a-literary-review/ – it was quite a shock to the system when he turned up at Old Trafford. Cricket was adjusting to television’s growing influence on life and reviving itself with limited overs cricket. Not only did Big Clive galvanise cricket’s first TV team, he played with a genial ferocity for his club and brought thousands of youngish kids like me to the game. I’m grateful. 0 1 Share on Facebook E10Rifles 2 Sep 2008 20:16 @hendersonA gentle, positive piece – makes a change from last year’s bile on Pietersen.Anyway – overseas players so far missed out to make the hugest impact i.e made it into county folklore and/or won things that might not have been won;Somerset – Joel GarnerWorcs – Tom MoodyEssex – Stuart LawMiddlesex – Dessie HaynesHonourable mentions to Gordon Greenidge, Sarfraz Nawaz & Sylvester Clarke Share via Email Share on Twitter Please select Personal abuse Off topic Legal issue Trolling Hate speech Offensive/Threatening language Copyright Spam Other Facebook Share on Twitter @ mouthofthefmerseyThanks for that link to cricketarchive.com; what a great site that is! I could spend all day on it going through scorecards. | Pick Share on Twitter 2 Sep 2008 21:13 Share 2 Sep 2008 16:40 ………and of course Alvin Kallicharran Share Facebook Report Facebook Share County Championship Division One Report 2 Sep 2008 20:38 Share on Facebook 2 Sep 2008 15:23 0 1 0 1 Twitter Report It”l either be taken as being annoyinglic pendantic or me being stupid but, technically, Graeme Hick’s an overseas player. As a Sussex fan, I think Mushy is the best we’ve had, other may have one more but I can’t think of another player who has turned the tide of so many games single handedly. His wickets dragged us kicking and screaming to the title last year & you can see the difference in performance this year when he’s been missing. Plus, theres the always enteratining chant:Mushy, Mushy, Mushy!! Peas, Peas, Peas!!!!!!! keaton Report Share on Facebook Report Reply RegretTheHorsePlayer Reuse this content,View all comments > Sign up to the Spin – our weekly cricket round-up How can you suggest Warne as being worthy of the title but Mushy not?Mushy has comprenhensively outbowled Warne every year. He may not be the greatest overseas player but he’s undoubtedly one of the oversees player who’s played the best cricket?But if belitting Mushy makes up for us having our back-to-back titles i’ll take it Report Share Facebook KP at Notts? Share on Twitter Share on Facebook | Pick Sign in or create your Guardian account to recommend a comment Reply 2 Sep 2008 15:41 Email (optional) Report 2 Sep 2008 17:25 Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick comments (31)Sign in or create your Guardian account to join the discussion. Toast Mushie but raise a glass to the true greats Order by oldest 2 Sep 2008 16:07 0 1 Twitter Share on Twitter PaulLinford Share via Email 2 Sep 2008 20:07 Share on Twitter All Share on Facebook Report Bois 2 Sep 2008 11:57 MouthoftheMersey Reply Reply Share on Twitter Report Twitter Report 2 Sep 2008 16:17 0 1 Share 2 Sep 2008 8:50 25 0 1 0 1 Share Share on Facebook Share If Mushie had been playing for Pakistan he would not have been half as effective. And I think thats the point. There are hardly any great overseas players in country cricket anymore as there is too much international cricket for them to be concentrating on.Thats why someone like Mushie in todays era is deemed the best. He probably is. The best ever? No chance. For all the reasons given. Report Share on Twitter 0 1 Twitter 50 Allout Reply | Pick Reply Share Yevaru Facebook Share on Twitter 0 1 timthemonkey Reply Share on Facebook Reply Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp One other thing about Big Clive.As a twelve-year-old, I watched the telly, as bewitched as John Arlott was, as Big Clive played one of the all-time great innings – http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/35/35256.html.Less than two months later, I was getting the bus to Aigburth to sit on the boundary rope to watch him make another ton, this time in real life – http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/35/35479.htmlAt the end of each day’s play, we all ran on just to walk along next to the already stooping black man in the glasses as he made his way to the Pavilion and wonder if he was really human or made of altogether more glamorous stuff. (Some handy overseas players in that match!) Facebook Share on Messenger Share on Twitter Share | Pick 0 1 NimrodTroyte | Pick Share Twitter Reply Samuelle Reply By Jove, they lowered the bar for old Mushie, didn’t they? No sooner had the Pakistan wrist spinner announced his retirement from English cricket last week than the tributes poured like vintage hock. “Mushtaq Ahmed, the finest Sussex player ever” it was said, followed by another toast to “the finest of all overseas players”. The hock must have been flowing like the Rhine.It’s a matter of opinion, granted, but it may be wise to cock an ear towards those who recalled John Snow with his tail up and Ted Dexter in midsummer prime. Nor should we ignore the memories of previous generations who witnessed the Langridge brothers, John and James, Maurice Tate and the great Ranji, whose batsmanship (glimpsed in the mind’s eye, through the filter of contemporary accounts) will always define the Golden Age for those who were born too late.Then there was Ranji’s captain, Charles Burgess Fry, the greatest of British all-round sportsmen. That is not really an opinion: Fry’s achievements remain carved in oak. He was also, so he assured everybody, the man who was offered the throne of Albania when he attended the League of Nations deliberations in 1920, and turned it down because “it seemed a damn bore”.Anyway, well done, Mushie. You were indeed a wonderful player for Sussex, helping them to win the county championship in 2003, for the first time in the club’s history, and helping them to win it again in 2006 and 2007, but not everybody thinks that your light shines brightest in Hove.As for the finest of all overseas players, that is such a mighty bow to draw that the string must snap. Mushtaq played a notable part in the Sussex story but he was not the greatest overseas player. So who was? Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick Share Twitter your whole article revolves around the phrase “the finest of all overseas players”. But who actually said it? Quotes should be attributed and a quick lazy google found nothing. Why bother comparing chalk with cheese? How good was Sir Viv, but what did Somerset win? As a Sussex man I’m pleased and proud of what he did for us. I accuse you sir of lazy journalism and sour grapes! 2 Sep 2008 18:34 0 1 Since you’re here… Share on Twitter Share Share on Facebook | Pick 2 Sep 2008 20:44 A pleasant piece from Michael Henderson! I even don’t mind that he started it with the words “by jove”.That said, MH has missed the salient point. In the days of yore there wasn’t the packed touring schedules for internationals, so top overseas players could concentrate on playing for their designated counties between April and September. These days, overseas players are here for a month or two and then off to their next set of international duties.What therefore sets Mushie apart is not the comparison to his forerunners but the comparison to his contemporaries. Yes, I know a lot of this is to do with age but the fact remains that he has been a stand-out in overseas players of the last decade or so. An attempt at an all-time comparison which takes no account of these changing circumstances is doomed to fail before it even gets going. Michael Henderson Facebook 2 Sep 2008 15:27 Facebook fmac Hadlee didn’t pay much attention to his batting at test level (though he did take a century off the Windies in their pomp, as I recall) but he was an all-rounder of the highest class in county play – the top bowler in the averages most years, but also routinely in the top five of the batting averages as well. Has anyone – overseas or not – equalled that all-round performance? (A non-rhetorical question.) Facebook Reply Share on Twitter Facebook Reply Twitter 2 Report | Pick Close report comment form 0 1 As an Essex supporter who as a youngster once received a signed Duncan Fearnley Polyplastic from Ken McEwan as a birthday present (my Dad worked for one of the sponsors at the time), I’ll second the vote for him. He never got the chance to play Test cricket, but in the time he was at Essex, the county won 8 titles. I’d also like to give a mention to another Essex player of that era – Keith Boyce. On his day, he was the best fast bowler I’ve ever seen, and he had an arm like a bullet. I can’t believe Essex would have won half as many trophies without him – certainly not in the one-day game, anywayI must say there’s a name I’m surprised hasn’t cropped up yet. Whenever Hampshire came to play Essex, or whenever they were on the television, I would get a tingle of anticipation at the prospect of watching Gordon Greenidge bat. But more exciting still was the prospect of seeing his opening partner, Barry Richards. And my grandad, the proudest of Yorkshireman, recounting to me the 155 not out he took off Yorkshire in a JPL match in Hull in 1970 (if I remember rightly, Yorks scored fewer than 100 in reply) was one of the key factors in my developing a lifelong passion for cricket. Share on Facebook | Pick MouthoftheMersey Report Report | Pick Facebook 2 Sep 2008 22:41 Cricket 0 1 0 1 Twitter Facebook | Pick Facebook oldest 0 1 2 Sep 2008 8:12 Reply Bois 1 2 Sep 2008 12:01 Reason (optional) Waterhot: I was there for this match – http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/38/38393.html. Since even I could swing it at Southport, I reckon it was doing a bit in the air, if not off the pitch. I’m pretty sure Ken McEwan got his ton before lunch. I feel Mike Hussey plays a bit like McEwan – very handy indeed! Share on Twitter Share Facebook As for overseas players at Yorkshire:Tendulkar was hopeless.Richie Richardson’s lasting legacy – in my mind – is coming to a deal with the Yorkshire Chairman whereby Richie would wear a Yorkshire cap on the field in exchange for the Chairman wearing one of Richie’s trademark wide brimmed sunhats.Darren Lehmann: bundles of runs. Proves Hendo’s point, really. Share 0 1 Twitter Reply 0 1 Share on Facebook 2 Sep 2008 8:34 recommendations Share on Facebook Twitter | Pick | Pick Share on Facebook 2 Sep 2008 18:37 Facebook | Pick Twitter | Pick Read more Share on Facebook Share Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Facebook | Pick Twitter Topics 0 1 Share on Twitter Show 25 Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Reply Share on Facebook Asif Iqbal did very well at Kent. Majid Khan was great to watch at Cambridge University. Clive Rice was magnificent for Notts.Gordon Greenige and Glen Turner not a bad opening pair for Hampshire, also Barry Richards. Report Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick Share 2 Sep 2008 21:05 Report collapsed Share on WhatsApp Share on Facebook Share expanded Facebook Share Twitter Twitter | Pick Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Report Twitter Share Report Report Shares00 Share on Facebook | Pick Report 2 Sep 2008 20:18 qualitystreet Twitter Reply 0 1 And now of course I realise I’m ageing. My mind playing tricks. Poor old Keith retired before we won a thing. Still one hell of a player, though. Share on Facebook Threads collapsed Sharelast_img

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